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	<title>Comments on: Experience/Relationship or Academic? Article by Pastor Danny Nalliah</title>
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		<link>http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2007/09/21/experiencerelationship-or-academic-article-by-pastor-danny-nalliah/#comment-75102</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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I couldn't understand some parts of this article, but it sounds interesting...</description>
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<p>I couldn&#8217;t understand some parts of this article, but it sounds interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Davenell</title>
		<link>http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2007/09/21/experiencerelationship-or-academic-article-by-pastor-danny-nalliah/#comment-65684</link>
		<dc:creator>Davenell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A  "Self Ordained" pastor - now a "self appointed" prophet - what next??? I will be watching the outcome of this election with much interest to see the result of your "prophecy. God is also supposed to have spoken to George Bush and told him to invade Iraq. You guys are going beyond the bounds of Christianity and making a mockery of our Lord and our faith.

You do not work for an employer so what would you know about the Industrial Relations and Work Choices Laws which the so called Christian Liberals have shoved down our throats. We have had a leader for 11 years who takes full responsibility for the good but denies knowing anything about it when things go awry. The Children Overboard issue and AWB scandal, etc, are good examples of this. His latest backflip is that he never uttered the promise to keep interest rates at record lows, eventhough he featured on the ads himself and used it as a platform at the last election. John Howard would go to any length to win the election, even if it means  lying through his teeth. If these are the traits of a true Christian I am ashamed to be called one.

We are talking about preventing abortion when our Christian Prime Minister is instrumental in killing thousands of people in Iraq and Afghanistan and putting the lives of our own soldiers at risk. Would you or any of your followers be so adamant in voting him in again if it was your son who was at the war front? Guess not!!!!

We have seen enough of what John Howard is made of. now it is time for a change. Vote Kevin Rudd and give him a chance to prove himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A  &#8220;Self Ordained&#8221; pastor - now a &#8220;self appointed&#8221; prophet - what next??? I will be watching the outcome of this election with much interest to see the result of your &#8220;prophecy. God is also supposed to have spoken to George Bush and told him to invade Iraq. You guys are going beyond the bounds of Christianity and making a mockery of our Lord and our faith.</p>
<p>You do not work for an employer so what would you know about the Industrial Relations and Work Choices Laws which the so called Christian Liberals have shoved down our throats. We have had a leader for 11 years who takes full responsibility for the good but denies knowing anything about it when things go awry. The Children Overboard issue and AWB scandal, etc, are good examples of this. His latest backflip is that he never uttered the promise to keep interest rates at record lows, eventhough he featured on the ads himself and used it as a platform at the last election. John Howard would go to any length to win the election, even if it means  lying through his teeth. If these are the traits of a true Christian I am ashamed to be called one.</p>
<p>We are talking about preventing abortion when our Christian Prime Minister is instrumental in killing thousands of people in Iraq and Afghanistan and putting the lives of our own soldiers at risk. Would you or any of your followers be so adamant in voting him in again if it was your son who was at the war front? Guess not!!!!</p>
<p>We have seen enough of what John Howard is made of. now it is time for a change. Vote Kevin Rudd and give him a chance to prove himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark </title>
		<link>http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2007/09/21/experiencerelationship-or-academic-article-by-pastor-danny-nalliah/#comment-62453</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 05:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good article: I have just completed reading the Saltshakers article by Peter Stokes and left the following reply:  I feel it may well apply to much of what you have written.  I can only concur with you that there needs to be a different way of assessing politics and our precious freedom to vote - we are indeed watchmen for this and successive generations - and that way must be the Word of God.  If Government was run with the Scripture, "Your Word I have hidden in my heart that I may not transgress against You," at it's heart, what a difference it would make.  Let us thank God for the current Government (and include K.Beasley's opposition) and pray that Australians do not throw their heritage away this election.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article: I have just completed reading the Saltshakers article by Peter Stokes and left the following reply:  I feel it may well apply to much of what you have written.  I can only concur with you that there needs to be a different way of assessing politics and our precious freedom to vote - we are indeed watchmen for this and successive generations - and that way must be the Word of God.  If Government was run with the Scripture, &#8220;Your Word I have hidden in my heart that I may not transgress against You,&#8221; at it&#8217;s heart, what a difference it would make.  Let us thank God for the current Government (and include K.Beasley&#8217;s opposition) and pray that Australians do not throw their heritage away this election.</p>
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		<title>By: Ale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings pastor. I am not a man of many words, but I do believe in prayers. I also believe that God does hear the prayer of the righteous. Ending their worship service with mass-prayer, one by one; each member ended with the Amen. There was but one who continued to pray and as the prayer come to its conclusion, the word echoed in the ears of the congregation "God let the Tongan Rugby Union Team win"! Well, England beat Tonga in the World Cup. I know who I want to be the next Prime Minister, but is that the will of God? The Isralite wanted to choose a leader, so they could go back to Egypt; That did not happen either (Num. 14:4). My prayer is, that we will become the kind of people that God want us to be, whether that is under a Liberal or Labour Government etc. Let us pray for our leaders, and those who are above us. Many Blessings, Ale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings pastor. I am not a man of many words, but I do believe in prayers. I also believe that God does hear the prayer of the righteous. Ending their worship service with mass-prayer, one by one; each member ended with the Amen. There was but one who continued to pray and as the prayer come to its conclusion, the word echoed in the ears of the congregation &#8220;God let the Tongan Rugby Union Team win&#8221;! Well, England beat Tonga in the World Cup. I know who I want to be the next Prime Minister, but is that the will of God? The Isralite wanted to choose a leader, so they could go back to Egypt; That did not happen either (Num. 14:4). My prayer is, that we will become the kind of people that God want us to be, whether that is under a Liberal or Labour Government etc. Let us pray for our leaders, and those who are above us. Many Blessings, Ale.</p>
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		<title>By: Office 2</title>
		<link>http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2007/09/21/experiencerelationship-or-academic-article-by-pastor-danny-nalliah/#comment-58585</link>
		<dc:creator>Office 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blessings to you in Jesus name! Thank you for your forthright way of saying it as it really is.....
Thank you for your recent stand against religious discrimination.... May the Lord greatly bless and Keep you all  in His precious care. We need more people like you. I admire your tenacity and diligence.... I wish I had the same determination to see righteousness prevail, We should all have it , the same way you have..... After all... Has Jesus died and risen? Is He the Way the Truth and the Life? ( that says it all).... Where Christ is exalted... there THE LORD COMMANDS THE BLESSING, Love in Jesus, Marg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blessings to you in Jesus name! Thank you for your forthright way of saying it as it really is&#8230;..<br />
Thank you for your recent stand against religious discrimination&#8230;. May the Lord greatly bless and Keep you all  in His precious care. We need more people like you. I admire your tenacity and diligence&#8230;. I wish I had the same determination to see righteousness prevail, We should all have it , the same way you have&#8230;.. After all&#8230; Has Jesus died and risen? Is He the Way the Truth and the Life? ( that says it all)&#8230;. Where Christ is exalted&#8230; there THE LORD COMMANDS THE BLESSING, Love in Jesus, Marg</p>
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		<title>By: Office 2</title>
		<link>http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2007/09/21/experiencerelationship-or-academic-article-by-pastor-danny-nalliah/#comment-58584</link>
		<dc:creator>Office 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ps Danny, Just wanted to say thanks, for being bold. We are on (passing over) the threshold my friend!Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ps Danny, Just wanted to say thanks, for being bold. We are on (passing over) the threshold my friend!Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Office 2</title>
		<link>http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2007/09/21/experiencerelationship-or-academic-article-by-pastor-danny-nalliah/#comment-58583</link>
		<dc:creator>Office 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pastor Danny You express my heart and sentiments in your e.mail responding to your prophecy about federal election.  The christians in this country owe you a lot, thank you for standing as a beacon in this country for the Kingdom of God and being biblical correct and not political correct. You have the support of a lot of grateful christians.  May the Lord Jesus Christ continue to reveal His love to you and His heart for this great south land of the Holy Spirit. Patricia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pastor Danny You express my heart and sentiments in your e.mail responding to your prophecy about federal election.  The christians in this country owe you a lot, thank you for standing as a beacon in this country for the Kingdom of God and being biblical correct and not political correct. You have the support of a lot of grateful christians.  May the Lord Jesus Christ continue to reveal His love to you and His heart for this great south land of the Holy Spirit. Patricia</p>
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		<title>By: Office 2</title>
		<link>http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2007/09/21/experiencerelationship-or-academic-article-by-pastor-danny-nalliah/#comment-58580</link>
		<dc:creator>Office 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ps Danny,
We were encouraged by your recent E mail, concerning the coming election. It was an inspiration to us &#038; may it inspire God's people to stand up for Jesus &#038; vote for His values for our nation. Thank you Danny, for your courage in not "beating about the bush", but speaking plainly. We are standing with you. We want God's Kingdom to come &#038; His will to be done in this land. We would like to share a word from the Lord that my wife received on Saturday,concerning this Nation &#038; the drought,(which is very much still with us) "The drought presses &#038; will do so. This is My judgement so that hearts will turn to Me &#038; seek My ways for this Nation. Australia is at a very critical stage - I want to hear the heart cry of My people for their land. PRAY EARNESTLY that My people would TURN TO ME, CRY OUT TO ME, &#038; SEEK MY WILL &#038; PURPOSE for their land &#038; her people ie. MY CHOSEN GOVERNMENT. The drought that continues is actually demonstrating My GRACE towards My people. This is a VERY CRITICAL TIME in Australia's history. These are URGENT TIMES - My people play a vital role in My purposes. IT IS TIME for them to rise up &#038; cry out as ONE VOICE ...........at 11am on 11th day of 11th month
for GOD'S WILL, GOD'S WAY, &#038; GOD'S CHOICE OF GOVERNMENT" she often hears from the Lord about family &#038; matters closer to home ,but this word came as a complete surprise.  We felt to share it with you. God's blessing &#038; protection over you &#038; your family &#038; all at "Catch the Fire Ministries" from Tony &#038; Rosalie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ps Danny,<br />
We were encouraged by your recent E mail, concerning the coming election. It was an inspiration to us &#038; may it inspire God&#8217;s people to stand up for Jesus &#038; vote for His values for our nation. Thank you Danny, for your courage in not &#8220;beating about the bush&#8221;, but speaking plainly. We are standing with you. We want God&#8217;s Kingdom to come &#038; His will to be done in this land. We would like to share a word from the Lord that my wife received on Saturday,concerning this Nation &#038; the drought,(which is very much still with us) &#8220;The drought presses &#038; will do so. This is My judgement so that hearts will turn to Me &#038; seek My ways for this Nation. Australia is at a very critical stage - I want to hear the heart cry of My people for their land. PRAY EARNESTLY that My people would TURN TO ME, CRY OUT TO ME, &#038; SEEK MY WILL &#038; PURPOSE for their land &#038; her people ie. MY CHOSEN GOVERNMENT. The drought that continues is actually demonstrating My GRACE towards My people. This is a VERY CRITICAL TIME in Australia&#8217;s history. These are URGENT TIMES - My people play a vital role in My purposes. IT IS TIME for them to rise up &#038; cry out as ONE VOICE &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..at 11am on 11th day of 11th month<br />
for GOD&#8217;S WILL, GOD&#8217;S WAY, &#038; GOD&#8217;S CHOICE OF GOVERNMENT&#8221; she often hears from the Lord about family &#038; matters closer to home ,but this word came as a complete surprise.  We felt to share it with you. God&#8217;s blessing &#038; protection over you &#038; your family &#038; all at &#8220;Catch the Fire Ministries&#8221; from Tony &#038; Rosalie</p>
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		<title>By: Glen O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2007/09/21/experiencerelationship-or-academic-article-by-pastor-danny-nalliah/#comment-58578</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last time I looked we went to Holy Scripture for guidance and not to extra-biblical revelation. I hold such statements as "The Lord told me to spend some personal time with Prime Minister John Howard and to prophetically prepare Federal Treasurer Peter Costello as the future Prime Minister of Australia" with a considerable amount of skepticism?  I notice the way you worm out of the implications of your prophecy NOT coming to pass (which by Old Testament standards would be being stoned to death). It is only "if the Body of Christ unites in prayer and action" that the prophecy will come to pass! So in the end it is all about Pelagian self effort. Apparently we must "be willing to pay the price to see Australia come back to Jesus." Come on folks, we can do it if we just get together, pray hard enough and vote Liberal!

Is it the supposedly "Judeo-Christian values" of the Liberal Party that are behind our involvement in the war in Iraq which has seen conservatively 700-800,000 innocent civilians killed? We certainly should support the right to life of unborn children but what about the right to life of living children in Iraq and Afghanistan? Are they of less value? More die every day and the coalition government refuses to withdraw the involvement of our troops. Why do we persist in thinking that "Judeo-Christian values" only relate to matters of personal morality? To state that 60-70% of Labor Party members hold to "totally anti-Christian, extreme left wing ideologies" is outrageous. What planet does this guy live on? Is he saying they're all Communists? The Labor Party is about as centre-right as any party can be without being the Liberal Party!

As for Labor "supporting homosexuals" what are we supposed to do? Hate them? Marginalise them? Why shouldn't gay people have the same civil rights as other people? Perhaps we should put them all in special enclosures or make them wear a little symbol so we can identify them and single them out for special treatment. Rudd has made it clear that under a Labor government there will be no change to the Marriage Act that defines legal marriage as a union between one man and one woman for life. The Christian community does not believe that homosexual practice is in keeping with Christian moral and ethical teaching. That is our affair, and we have our own house to keep in order, but we can't enforce that teaching on the general population, any more than we can make it a law that all Australian citizens must attend church! Let's face it friends, we live in a liberal democracy, not a theocracy or a Puritan commonwealth!

I'm prepared to go on record to say that, in spite of your "prophetic word," I for one will NOT be voting Liberal in the federal election and I certainly will not be spiritually blackmailed into doing so by a self appointed prophet. I cannot vote for a government that supports an unjust war, that refuses to engage in a genuine act of reconciliation with indigenous Australians, that places economic prosperity ahead of justice, and imprisons refugees in contravention of international law, all of which are contrary to "Judeo-Christian values."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last time I looked we went to Holy Scripture for guidance and not to extra-biblical revelation. I hold such statements as &#8220;The Lord told me to spend some personal time with Prime Minister John Howard and to prophetically prepare Federal Treasurer Peter Costello as the future Prime Minister of Australia&#8221; with a considerable amount of skepticism?  I notice the way you worm out of the implications of your prophecy NOT coming to pass (which by Old Testament standards would be being stoned to death). It is only &#8220;if the Body of Christ unites in prayer and action&#8221; that the prophecy will come to pass! So in the end it is all about Pelagian self effort. Apparently we must &#8220;be willing to pay the price to see Australia come back to Jesus.&#8221; Come on folks, we can do it if we just get together, pray hard enough and vote Liberal!</p>
<p>Is it the supposedly &#8220;Judeo-Christian values&#8221; of the Liberal Party that are behind our involvement in the war in Iraq which has seen conservatively 700-800,000 innocent civilians killed? We certainly should support the right to life of unborn children but what about the right to life of living children in Iraq and Afghanistan? Are they of less value? More die every day and the coalition government refuses to withdraw the involvement of our troops. Why do we persist in thinking that &#8220;Judeo-Christian values&#8221; only relate to matters of personal morality? To state that 60-70% of Labor Party members hold to &#8220;totally anti-Christian, extreme left wing ideologies&#8221; is outrageous. What planet does this guy live on? Is he saying they&#8217;re all Communists? The Labor Party is about as centre-right as any party can be without being the Liberal Party!</p>
<p>As for Labor &#8220;supporting homosexuals&#8221; what are we supposed to do? Hate them? Marginalise them? Why shouldn&#8217;t gay people have the same civil rights as other people? Perhaps we should put them all in special enclosures or make them wear a little symbol so we can identify them and single them out for special treatment. Rudd has made it clear that under a Labor government there will be no change to the Marriage Act that defines legal marriage as a union between one man and one woman for life. The Christian community does not believe that homosexual practice is in keeping with Christian moral and ethical teaching. That is our affair, and we have our own house to keep in order, but we can&#8217;t enforce that teaching on the general population, any more than we can make it a law that all Australian citizens must attend church! Let&#8217;s face it friends, we live in a liberal democracy, not a theocracy or a Puritan commonwealth!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m prepared to go on record to say that, in spite of your &#8220;prophetic word,&#8221; I for one will NOT be voting Liberal in the federal election and I certainly will not be spiritually blackmailed into doing so by a self appointed prophet. I cannot vote for a government that supports an unjust war, that refuses to engage in a genuine act of reconciliation with indigenous Australians, that places economic prosperity ahead of justice, and imprisons refugees in contravention of international law, all of which are contrary to &#8220;Judeo-Christian values.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Office 2</title>
		<link>http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2007/09/21/experiencerelationship-or-academic-article-by-pastor-danny-nalliah/#comment-58577</link>
		<dc:creator>Office 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Pastor Danny, I praise Almighty God that He has called you for such a time as this in this nation of Australia. Thank you for standing in the authority we have in Christ Jesus and speaking forth truth and righteousness. Yes the narrow path is not walked by many but it is the path that leads to eternal life with our LORD and Saviour. May a double anointing be upon your life, your family and your ministry for all the Lord has for you to fulfill. God Bless You Mighty Man of Eloheim. with love in Yahshua Ha'Mashiach Philippa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Pastor Danny, I praise Almighty God that He has called you for such a time as this in this nation of Australia. Thank you for standing in the authority we have in Christ Jesus and speaking forth truth and righteousness. Yes the narrow path is not walked by many but it is the path that leads to eternal life with our LORD and Saviour. May a double anointing be upon your life, your family and your ministry for all the Lord has for you to fulfill. God Bless You Mighty Man of Eloheim. with love in Yahshua Ha&#8217;Mashiach Philippa</p>
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		<title>By: Office 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Office 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello  brother  Danny, i have just received  from a friend  your  speech . On the topic of federal elections, you  are  out  of line  my friend  in  Christ  , i respect  your views as a Christian  myself. first  let me say that it the  lord   who  sets  kings  on thrown  ,many  scriptures   tells us  and sets   people  in power  over countries.  but we have a choice  and a brain  to see    what   damage alas been done  , industries  laws  , unfair  dismissal  ,ect,  by the present gov.  we are  going  down the  u.s.a  way of living  , wages  $6  per hour  , plus war   in   iraq. we should  not be following   pres. bush  in  the wars in the m. east  they  are there  for oil   and the u.s.a   consume  appro  5th   of  the world  oil  and resources   , that  is not were  we as  follows  of christ   should  be  heading, so let us go the polling   both   with   open  eyes  and pray  that  god will open a few  eyes  in the election  ,  your brother  in christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello  brother  Danny, i have just received  from a friend  your  speech . On the topic of federal elections, you  are  out  of line  my friend  in  Christ  , i respect  your views as a Christian  myself. first  let me say that it the  lord   who  sets  kings  on thrown  ,many  scriptures   tells us  and sets   people  in power  over countries.  but we have a choice  and a brain  to see    what   damage alas been done  , industries  laws  , unfair  dismissal  ,ect,  by the present gov.  we are  going  down the  u.s.a  way of living  , wages  $6  per hour  , plus war   in   iraq. we should  not be following   pres. bush  in  the wars in the m. east  they  are there  for oil   and the u.s.a   consume  appro  5th   of  the world  oil  and resources   , that  is not were  we as  follows  of christ   should  be  heading, so let us go the polling   both   with   open  eyes  and pray  that  god will open a few  eyes  in the election  ,  your brother  in christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Office 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Office 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the letter and email from Ps. Danny Nalliah unfortunately miss the point of labor or liberal Christian or non-Christian. I am a Born again Christian and I have seen a lot in my day which goes under the name of "Christian". So what I say to you now is for your benefit. I agree the present government has a lot of members who profess to be Christian. I voted for them in the first two elections. Like Ps. Danny Nalliah I have no affiliations and was born in the US with no generational politicol leanings. However what I have seen in the US and here is that unfortunately the devil has many tricks and guises and in the last 7 or so years Politicians have cottoned on to the fact that if they "say" they are Christian then they can win politicol votes. That is the same for both parties and ALL politicians. The bottom line is that once they are in power we can only judge politicians by WHAT THEY DO not WHAT THEY SAY. So having watched what the governments in the US and here have DONE (not said) over the last 7 years I can categorically say they have conducted much activity which is NOT Christian. The Christian Right in America have also relised this and are now very disilussioned with George W. Bush even though he SAYS he is a Christian. So as Jesus said it is by OUR WORKS and LOVE that the world will know if we are Christian or not (not by what we say). And unfortunately the Liberal government in Australia has performed more and more ungodly acts...turning refugees away (the Bible says to take in the homeless and the foreigner etc), conducting war with IRAQ for favours from the US, de-regulating the work force to the point to copy America where we have many working poor and severly disrupted families and it will get worse (Work Choices is clearly an agenda of Big Business...The Business Council of Australia is not a bunch of businesses but is a group of the top 50 biggest busiesses in Australia and they are running the TV Ad campaign in favour of work choices since they make the most money out of paying people less and making people work bad hours which have disrupted family life....yet Liberal say they are family friendly!!!). We engage in free trade with China which has huge human rights abuses, still puts many many house Christians in Jail and do not allow free worship and has anti-Christian government all in the name of making money for ourselves (we should be boycotting them not sending Iron Ore or Coal to them but where are we their Brothers and Sisters showing support for our fellow Chinese Christians?). I have noticed over the years that Christians get up in arms about Abortion (which of course I am against) but when it comes to making money they have a different set of standards!! I guess you've noticed the same. This is not to say the government have done no good things. But they are DOING more and more ungodly things. Forget what they say. LOOK AT WHAT THEY DO. So now we come to Labour. Well yes they have always had a pro homosexual element, pro choice BUT you may not know that the roots of the Labour party are in the Catholic church (go back and look at the history of it) and there are many devout Christians in the Labour party. So 11 years is enough time for any government in power. It is time to give Labour a chance and lets SEE what they DO (not what they SAY). We can't tell what they will do before we give them a chance. However we have seen what the present government have DONE and it is not good in the last few years. Be aware that  both sides of politics are very aware of trying to win the vote of Christians and women. They will SAY lots of things to win that vote including being Christian etc. We can only try them and see how they are in the imperfect system we live in that is all we can do. I believe 8 years is enough time for any one government then they should be changed. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and Christians are not imune to the Power of Governement (don't forget the devil tempted Jesus with politicol power over all the kingdoms of the world). So don't fall into the trap of being a mouth piece for any political party. We have to oppose ungodly actions by BOTH sides of politics when they are in power no matter what they are. Unfortunately it is easier for Christians to oppose things that don't affect their wallet like Abortion or Homosexuals than imoral trade (which Jesus stood against in the Temple) or refugees who they think are terrorists. Do not be so gullible to believe that just because a politician SAYS they are a Christian that they are or even have any leaning that way because it seems more and more of them are saying that but when they get voted in they are not DOING or upholding Christian values. Liberal have had their chance to uphold Christian values and day by day they continue to fail more and more to do so (look at what they DO not what they say). They have had their chance now it is time to see whether Labour can do it any better. Please think carefully about this and start looking at what people DO not what they SAY. Being a verbal Christian is easy....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the letter and email from Ps. Danny Nalliah unfortunately miss the point of labor or liberal Christian or non-Christian. I am a Born again Christian and I have seen a lot in my day which goes under the name of &#8220;Christian&#8221;. So what I say to you now is for your benefit. I agree the present government has a lot of members who profess to be Christian. I voted for them in the first two elections. Like Ps. Danny Nalliah I have no affiliations and was born in the US with no generational politicol leanings. However what I have seen in the US and here is that unfortunately the devil has many tricks and guises and in the last 7 or so years Politicians have cottoned on to the fact that if they &#8220;say&#8221; they are Christian then they can win politicol votes. That is the same for both parties and ALL politicians. The bottom line is that once they are in power we can only judge politicians by WHAT THEY DO not WHAT THEY SAY. So having watched what the governments in the US and here have DONE (not said) over the last 7 years I can categorically say they have conducted much activity which is NOT Christian. The Christian Right in America have also relised this and are now very disilussioned with George W. Bush even though he SAYS he is a Christian. So as Jesus said it is by OUR WORKS and LOVE that the world will know if we are Christian or not (not by what we say). And unfortunately the Liberal government in Australia has performed more and more ungodly acts&#8230;turning refugees away (the Bible says to take in the homeless and the foreigner etc), conducting war with IRAQ for favours from the US, de-regulating the work force to the point to copy America where we have many working poor and severly disrupted families and it will get worse (Work Choices is clearly an agenda of Big Business&#8230;The Business Council of Australia is not a bunch of businesses but is a group of the top 50 biggest busiesses in Australia and they are running the TV Ad campaign in favour of work choices since they make the most money out of paying people less and making people work bad hours which have disrupted family life&#8230;.yet Liberal say they are family friendly!!!). We engage in free trade with China which has huge human rights abuses, still puts many many house Christians in Jail and do not allow free worship and has anti-Christian government all in the name of making money for ourselves (we should be boycotting them not sending Iron Ore or Coal to them but where are we their Brothers and Sisters showing support for our fellow Chinese Christians?). I have noticed over the years that Christians get up in arms about Abortion (which of course I am against) but when it comes to making money they have a different set of standards!! I guess you&#8217;ve noticed the same. This is not to say the government have done no good things. But they are DOING more and more ungodly things. Forget what they say. LOOK AT WHAT THEY DO. So now we come to Labour. Well yes they have always had a pro homosexual element, pro choice BUT you may not know that the roots of the Labour party are in the Catholic church (go back and look at the history of it) and there are many devout Christians in the Labour party. So 11 years is enough time for any government in power. It is time to give Labour a chance and lets SEE what they DO (not what they SAY). We can&#8217;t tell what they will do before we give them a chance. However we have seen what the present government have DONE and it is not good in the last few years. Be aware that  both sides of politics are very aware of trying to win the vote of Christians and women. They will SAY lots of things to win that vote including being Christian etc. We can only try them and see how they are in the imperfect system we live in that is all we can do. I believe 8 years is enough time for any one government then they should be changed. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and Christians are not imune to the Power of Governement (don&#8217;t forget the devil tempted Jesus with politicol power over all the kingdoms of the world). So don&#8217;t fall into the trap of being a mouth piece for any political party. We have to oppose ungodly actions by BOTH sides of politics when they are in power no matter what they are. Unfortunately it is easier for Christians to oppose things that don&#8217;t affect their wallet like Abortion or Homosexuals than imoral trade (which Jesus stood against in the Temple) or refugees who they think are terrorists. Do not be so gullible to believe that just because a politician SAYS they are a Christian that they are or even have any leaning that way because it seems more and more of them are saying that but when they get voted in they are not DOING or upholding Christian values. Liberal have had their chance to uphold Christian values and day by day they continue to fail more and more to do so (look at what they DO not what they say). They have had their chance now it is time to see whether Labour can do it any better. Please think carefully about this and start looking at what people DO not what they SAY. Being a verbal Christian is easy&#8230;.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Christian with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, I too know through personal experience his power for healing and also the dangers of being on the narrow road you speak of, but I would like to ask you this question. Is God concerned with ordinary working families? And I believe he is, how is "Industrial work relations where people have little security for their jobs, because of unfair dismissal laws, our children are in danger of not having the same rights as my Generation had, and isn't it true that John Howard's government is mostly concerned with big business and making the wealthy more wealthy at the sacrifice of those who daily struggle to make a living for their families. It is true and declares in the bible that to care for the widows and orphans is pure religion and pleasing to God I can not see this working itself out in these men's lives that you list as all being Christians. It is true that I have been brought up with strong political views as my father was first in his own business and followed a Liberal Government, but when he lost his business and found himself in a position where he was working for a boss he had a change of mind, because he could see that the working man needed protection. I have been brought up with strong views about the rights of the ordinary who do not have a voice and need to be protected and treated with dignity. At the end of the day I have been praying about this election because I feel it is absolutely vital for our country to have the Prime Minister that God wants not what we want for he is able to make all things turn around for good and I am not worried about my own provision for I do know my God will provide for me, My concern is for ordinary families, for marriages and the brokenness that we are trying to address in prayer. I would be grateful if you could answer my questions and concerns. Yours sincerely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Christian with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, I too know through personal experience his power for healing and also the dangers of being on the narrow road you speak of, but I would like to ask you this question. Is God concerned with ordinary working families? And I believe he is, how is &#8220;Industrial work relations where people have little security for their jobs, because of unfair dismissal laws, our children are in danger of not having the same rights as my Generation had, and isn&#8217;t it true that John Howard&#8217;s government is mostly concerned with big business and making the wealthy more wealthy at the sacrifice of those who daily struggle to make a living for their families. It is true and declares in the bible that to care for the widows and orphans is pure religion and pleasing to God I can not see this working itself out in these men&#8217;s lives that you list as all being Christians. It is true that I have been brought up with strong political views as my father was first in his own business and followed a Liberal Government, but when he lost his business and found himself in a position where he was working for a boss he had a change of mind, because he could see that the working man needed protection. I have been brought up with strong views about the rights of the ordinary who do not have a voice and need to be protected and treated with dignity. At the end of the day I have been praying about this election because I feel it is absolutely vital for our country to have the Prime Minister that God wants not what we want for he is able to make all things turn around for good and I am not worried about my own provision for I do know my God will provide for me, My concern is for ordinary families, for marriages and the brokenness that we are trying to address in prayer. I would be grateful if you could answer my questions and concerns. Yours sincerely.</p>
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		<link>http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2007/09/21/experiencerelationship-or-academic-article-by-pastor-danny-nalliah/#comment-58568</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Letting you know that we have drawn the Sprinkled Blood line of the Master ( Hebrews 12:24; 1 Peter 1:2) over you, your family and ministry for your covering and protection againts the enemy. We decree that no weapon against you shall prosper, and every tongue that accuses you in judgement we shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord,( Isaiah 54:17)( we are no longer servants but children of the living God (Romans 8:15-17) and friends of God (John 15: 14, 15) and their vindication is from Me Saith the Lord. ( Isaiah 54:17) He Who guards Israel  is the one Who guards the Church ( the Bride of Jesus Christ)  neither slumber nor sleeps( Psalm 121:4)Under His wings you shall take refuge/ you shall not be afraid of the terror by night, nor the arrow that flies by day/ nor of the destruction that lay waste at noonday ( Psalm 21:4-6) Our God reveals deep and secret things; He knows what lies in darkness, and light dwells with Him.( Daniel 2:22) We decree: that the enemy is a loser. God disarmed him (rulers and principalities) at the cross.  God made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Christ death who made the full payment for our sins. (Colossians 2:15) We are one in the Bond of Love. SHALOM!
Born to serve the Master, Mel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Letting you know that we have drawn the Sprinkled Blood line of the Master ( Hebrews 12:24; 1 Peter 1:2) over you, your family and ministry for your covering and protection againts the enemy. We decree that no weapon against you shall prosper, and every tongue that accuses you in judgement we shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord,( Isaiah 54:17)( we are no longer servants but children of the living God (Romans 8:15-17) and friends of God (John 15: 14, 15) and their vindication is from Me Saith the Lord. ( Isaiah 54:17) He Who guards Israel  is the one Who guards the Church ( the Bride of Jesus Christ)  neither slumber nor sleeps( Psalm 121:4)Under His wings you shall take refuge/ you shall not be afraid of the terror by night, nor the arrow that flies by day/ nor of the destruction that lay waste at noonday ( Psalm 21:4-6) Our God reveals deep and secret things; He knows what lies in darkness, and light dwells with Him.( Daniel 2:22) We decree: that the enemy is a loser. God disarmed him (rulers and principalities) at the cross.  God made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Christ death who made the full payment for our sins. (Colossians 2:15) We are one in the Bond of Love. SHALOM!<br />
Born to serve the Master, Mel</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, I read your email re govt and opposition policies, very interesting.  I have insufficient time to dig into the depths of what our leaders are following and where they are leading us.  It is a concern to read the newspaper cutting, “It’s about time the government began to move with society”.  History shows that when people break away form God, the source of life, then we slowly head for death of God’s best for us. In connection with this and the history curriculum being formed at present, I want to send a copy of “Discovering Australia’s Christian Heritage” by Col Stringer to Julie Bishop and the Opposition Minister for Education.  I do not want to lose the benefits we have inherited from our Christian heritage; but it’s under attack. God accepts all as we are.  Sadly parts of the Christian Church stop there and don’t promote God’s call to come to Him for restoration and renewal.  I don’t believe allowing alternatives to marriage solves the problem.  In my opinion, based on family experience, if we have a difficulty with relationships, it is best to seek God for discovering a path to recovery and restoration, not indulgence in second best.  I believe we need to pray earnestly for our country and our government leaders.  My observation suggests that drought is a sign of spiritual poverty.  If people would humble themselves, seek God and pray, turn from their godless ways, would not God hear from heaven forgive our sins and heal our land?  Ah, but we are not in heaven yet.  Earthly faults remind me of that promise for our future for those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Thanks again, I’m glad someone can take the time to visit our federal leaders and pray with them.  I wish they would be a bit more true to their allegiance in public.  We need good strong leaders; not soft, malleable puppets directed by changing public opinion.  I still think the 10 Commandments have a lot of good life principles in there.  My current job is assisting children to discover what Christianity has to offer in a world of religious choices through the Christian Religious Education program under Council for Christian Education in Schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, I read your email re govt and opposition policies, very interesting.  I have insufficient time to dig into the depths of what our leaders are following and where they are leading us.  It is a concern to read the newspaper cutting, “It’s about time the government began to move with society”.  History shows that when people break away form God, the source of life, then we slowly head for death of God’s best for us. In connection with this and the history curriculum being formed at present, I want to send a copy of “Discovering Australia’s Christian Heritage” by Col Stringer to Julie Bishop and the Opposition Minister for Education.  I do not want to lose the benefits we have inherited from our Christian heritage; but it’s under attack. God accepts all as we are.  Sadly parts of the Christian Church stop there and don’t promote God’s call to come to Him for restoration and renewal.  I don’t believe allowing alternatives to marriage solves the problem.  In my opinion, based on family experience, if we have a difficulty with relationships, it is best to seek God for discovering a path to recovery and restoration, not indulgence in second best.  I believe we need to pray earnestly for our country and our government leaders.  My observation suggests that drought is a sign of spiritual poverty.  If people would humble themselves, seek God and pray, turn from their godless ways, would not God hear from heaven forgive our sins and heal our land?  Ah, but we are not in heaven yet.  Earthly faults remind me of that promise for our future for those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Thanks again, I’m glad someone can take the time to visit our federal leaders and pray with them.  I wish they would be a bit more true to their allegiance in public.  We need good strong leaders; not soft, malleable puppets directed by changing public opinion.  I still think the 10 Commandments have a lot of good life principles in there.  My current job is assisting children to discover what Christianity has to offer in a world of religious choices through the Christian Religious Education program under Council for Christian Education in Schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Office 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Pastor Danny,
I fully agree with everything you have stated.  Many years ago I took up writing letters (over 300) and heaps of faxes regarding pornography and moral issues like homosexuality.  I had a Liberal member who had the seat here and he was just so great, he would let me send faxes to all the members of parliament and the ones that would not meet the moralistic issues were the labour-ites and the women were the worst of all.  There was this wonderful Politian fighting to ban the pornography and he lost by 1 vote and that was devestating to him.  I remember sending him a plate of Winston Churchill on it with his saying about victory on it because I also was devestated by the vote.  I wrote to the porn king down there in Canberra and he wrote back and when I told him Yes JESUS loved him but didnt love what he was doing, that was the end of the letters.  The member here left to try for another seat and sadly to say we got a Labor canditate in and that was the end of my letter writing.  I voted for John Howard all the last times and when they gave him a hard time about the GST, and said it was 'The Good Ship Tampa", I said 'no' it was GOD'S Sovereign Tool.  And I will vote for him again and I will give all this info to my pastor and all I can.  You just hold your head high and there are more out there for you than against you.  GOD wants us to stand up for righteous sake and that is what you are doing.
What is persecution when we have JESUS' Love hey! GOD Bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Pastor Danny,<br />
I fully agree with everything you have stated.  Many years ago I took up writing letters (over 300) and heaps of faxes regarding pornography and moral issues like homosexuality.  I had a Liberal member who had the seat here and he was just so great, he would let me send faxes to all the members of parliament and the ones that would not meet the moralistic issues were the labour-ites and the women were the worst of all.  There was this wonderful Politian fighting to ban the pornography and he lost by 1 vote and that was devestating to him.  I remember sending him a plate of Winston Churchill on it with his saying about victory on it because I also was devestated by the vote.  I wrote to the porn king down there in Canberra and he wrote back and when I told him Yes JESUS loved him but didnt love what he was doing, that was the end of the letters.  The member here left to try for another seat and sadly to say we got a Labor canditate in and that was the end of my letter writing.  I voted for John Howard all the last times and when they gave him a hard time about the GST, and said it was &#8216;The Good Ship Tampa&#8221;, I said &#8216;no&#8217; it was GOD&#8217;S Sovereign Tool.  And I will vote for him again and I will give all this info to my pastor and all I can.  You just hold your head high and there are more out there for you than against you.  GOD wants us to stand up for righteous sake and that is what you are doing.<br />
What is persecution when we have JESUS&#8217; Love hey! GOD Bless you.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 05:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for speaking the truth and having such courage. You are an inspiration to us all. Don't let criticism get you down, "they know not what they do".  We are behind you and we will pray!!!!   God Bless Lex and Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for speaking the truth and having such courage. You are an inspiration to us all. Don&#8217;t let criticism get you down, &#8220;they know not what they do&#8221;.  We are behind you and we will pray!!!!   God Bless Lex and Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Office 2</title>
		<link>http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2007/09/21/experiencerelationship-or-academic-article-by-pastor-danny-nalliah/#comment-58557</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 05:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A sister of ours in this network sent me this very revealing research which had been passed on to her: Did you know? that of the 88 Labor politicians serving in the Federal Parliament, 42 are former full time union officials while 32 are former staffers of Labor Parliamentarians and four are former full time ALP officials. Only 7 Federal Labor MPs had careers outside this power structure before winning seats in Parliament. Just as Pastor Danny has confessed, I confess that I am not and never have been a member of a political party. I must admit that I have little time for the bullying and thuggery of significant parts of the trade union movement.

That probably stems from having postal mail from loved ones and other supplies withheld from us who served in South Vietnam by strikes organised by Australian trade unions. In 1981 I was a victim of the divorce law brought in by Gough Whitlam's Labor government i.e. divorce for any reason justified by so-called irreconcilable differences. But since I was saved in 1991 at age 53 I have been praying for truth, righteousness and justice in and through government. Since John Howard came to be PM I have seen an increase in the numbers of Christians in Parliament with each election, particularly in the Coalition parties. Now here are some of my comments, observations, and deep concerns for your prayerful consideration: 1. Back in October 2006 Kevin Rudd published a 5,000 essay (Faith in Politics By Kevin Rudd - the Monthly, October 2006) about why Australian Christians needed to be much more involved in Federal politics. He wrote about his concept of "Christian socialism". The very questionable bottom line of his essay was for Christians to vote Labor so that the Coalition Government (Liberal &#038; the Nationals) could be removed from office and replaced with a Labor Government. A copy of that essay is attached. 2. I believe that the speech that Kevin Rudd delivered to the Christian leaders gathered on the night of 9 August this year in the National Press Club for the Howard-Rudd on-line Web-cast to more than 700 churches, was one which was very carefully crafted to tickle liberal Christian ears. In that speech he professed himself to be a "garden Christian", whatever that means. I suspect that garden = liberal. His less-than-forthright answers to the questions put from the floor about homosexuality and religious vilification laws rang alarm bells in my spirit. At the conclusion of his speech that night the words that dropped into my spirit were "velvet tongue." 3. A Christian ethics ministry have previously reported to their network the following statement from the attached 5,000 word essay Faith in Politics by Kevin Rudd to support his attitude toward the sin of homosexuality: Such supporters tend to read down, rather than read up, the ethical teachings of the New Testament, producing a narrow tick-the-box approach to passing a so-called Christian morals test. These tests tend to emphasise questions of sexuality and sexual behaviour. I see very little evidence that this pre-occupation with sexual morality is consistent with the spirit and content of the Gospels. For example, there is no evidence of Jesus of Nazareth expressly preaching against homosexuality. In contrast, there is considerable evidence of the Nazarene preaching against poverty and the indifference of the rich. Who is the Jesus in whom Kevin Rudd professes to have placed his trust? Is He the Biblical Jesus through whom all things were made in the beginning? Is He the Jesus who was with His Father when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and when the Law was given to Moses, and when God declared the act of homosexuality an abomination? Is He the Jesus who left His Father's side, was born of woman as a Jew, and then spent 33 years living among the Jewish people who were fully aware that all sexual relations outside marriage constitute sin, the wages of which is death? Is He the Jesus who gave John the apostle the words of Revelation 22:15? 4. Earlier this year when the Federal Labor Caucus appointed Kevin Rudd as Opposition Leader and the ambitious, pro-choice feminist Julia Gillard as his Deputy, I groaned and said to myself "Oh, no! Not again!" Here we have had that same uneven spiritual yoking of a professed Christian leader (Premier Peter Beattie a professed practicing Anglican) with a pro-choice woman as his Deputy Premier whose Emily's List principles and values place her in an anti-God stance. During his time as Premier Mr Beattie deceived and betrayed the Church in Queensland during the passage of anti-discrimination legislation, and on other occasions clearly betrayed his professed personal faith in Christ. Recently he has suddenly retired from politics leaving his "anointed successor Anna Bligh" to take the reins as Queensland Premier. The apostle Paul clearly warned about the dangers of this uneven spiritual yoking in 2 Corinthians 6: 11-18. 5. a. Last Tuesday morning in the Federal Parliament House a number of Christian ministries combined to host a William Wilberforce Breakfast. During that breakfast attended by some 60 Federal parliamentarians and Christian leaders the Christian hosts presented Appreciation Awards to those Federal Parliamentarians who voted Pro-Life during the passage this year of the un-Godly bills relating to the abortion pill RU486 and the lifting of the previous ban on further research using embryonic stem cells, commonly known as the Cloning Bill. In both bills parliamentarians were allowed a Conscience Vote i.e. they were able to vote according to their conscience rather than along party lines as is the case with all other bills. b. Before that breakfast some brilliant, very careful research was done as to how each of the total of 226 Federal MPs and Senators individually voted on those bills. I downloaded a copy of that research and consolidated it all to see the extent of the Pro-Life vote in each party. The numbers that came out of that consolidation are very revealing, and as Christian voters we really need to take notice of these figures and what they mean about the social values of the various parties. c. There are 226 Federal Parliamentarians - 150 in the House of Representatives and 76 in the Senate. The Coalition Parties in Government (Liberal, Nationals and NT Country Liberal Party) have a total of 126 parliamentarians, Australian Labor Party has 88, Family First Party has 1, Australian Democrats have 4, Australian Greens have 4, and there are 3 Independents. In the table below I have shown the numbers of parliamentarians, by political party, who voted against each of those bills, and in so doing voted to uphold the Biblical sanctity of life i.e. by conscience they voted Pro-Life. I have then converted those numbers into percentages e.g. 50% of Coalition parliamentarians voted Pro-Life on RU486, whereas 11.3% of ALP parliamentarians voted Pro-Life on the same bill:

Party            Total Members       RU486 %       Cloning %

Coalition               126                63 50%        65 51.5%

ALP                      88                 10 11.3%      24 27.2%

FFP                      1     1                100% 1        100%

Aust Democrats        4 0                      0%           0%

Aust Greens              4 0                      0%          0%

Independents             3 2                   66.6%     100%

What those figures reveal is that there is a huge difference in the attitude to sanctity of life of the individual members of the current Coalition government and the ALP Opposition. 6. Under the democracy in this nation we have the privilege of voting to elect a man or woman from the electorate in which we live to represent our electorate and our interests in the Federal House of Representatives. There are times when the interests of our electorate are contrary to the interests of the political party to which our local MP belongs. In every party except Labor our MP could choose to be faithful to the interests of his or her electorate and cross the floor and vote against his or her party's view on a particular bill, and do that without penalty. However if a Labor MP crosses the floor rather than vote the party way, he or she will be sacked from the ALP. I suspect that ALP rule stems from trade unionism and it makes a mockery of our democracy.
With love in Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A sister of ours in this network sent me this very revealing research which had been passed on to her: Did you know? that of the 88 Labor politicians serving in the Federal Parliament, 42 are former full time union officials while 32 are former staffers of Labor Parliamentarians and four are former full time ALP officials. Only 7 Federal Labor MPs had careers outside this power structure before winning seats in Parliament. Just as Pastor Danny has confessed, I confess that I am not and never have been a member of a political party. I must admit that I have little time for the bullying and thuggery of significant parts of the trade union movement.</p>
<p>That probably stems from having postal mail from loved ones and other supplies withheld from us who served in South Vietnam by strikes organised by Australian trade unions. In 1981 I was a victim of the divorce law brought in by Gough Whitlam&#8217;s Labor government i.e. divorce for any reason justified by so-called irreconcilable differences. But since I was saved in 1991 at age 53 I have been praying for truth, righteousness and justice in and through government. Since John Howard came to be PM I have seen an increase in the numbers of Christians in Parliament with each election, particularly in the Coalition parties. Now here are some of my comments, observations, and deep concerns for your prayerful consideration: 1. Back in October 2006 Kevin Rudd published a 5,000 essay (Faith in Politics By Kevin Rudd - the Monthly, October 2006) about why Australian Christians needed to be much more involved in Federal politics. He wrote about his concept of &#8220;Christian socialism&#8221;. The very questionable bottom line of his essay was for Christians to vote Labor so that the Coalition Government (Liberal &#038; the Nationals) could be removed from office and replaced with a Labor Government. A copy of that essay is attached. 2. I believe that the speech that Kevin Rudd delivered to the Christian leaders gathered on the night of 9 August this year in the National Press Club for the Howard-Rudd on-line Web-cast to more than 700 churches, was one which was very carefully crafted to tickle liberal Christian ears. In that speech he professed himself to be a &#8220;garden Christian&#8221;, whatever that means. I suspect that garden = liberal. His less-than-forthright answers to the questions put from the floor about homosexuality and religious vilification laws rang alarm bells in my spirit. At the conclusion of his speech that night the words that dropped into my spirit were &#8220;velvet tongue.&#8221; 3. A Christian ethics ministry have previously reported to their network the following statement from the attached 5,000 word essay Faith in Politics by Kevin Rudd to support his attitude toward the sin of homosexuality: Such supporters tend to read down, rather than read up, the ethical teachings of the New Testament, producing a narrow tick-the-box approach to passing a so-called Christian morals test. These tests tend to emphasise questions of sexuality and sexual behaviour. I see very little evidence that this pre-occupation with sexual morality is consistent with the spirit and content of the Gospels. For example, there is no evidence of Jesus of Nazareth expressly preaching against homosexuality. In contrast, there is considerable evidence of the Nazarene preaching against poverty and the indifference of the rich. Who is the Jesus in whom Kevin Rudd professes to have placed his trust? Is He the Biblical Jesus through whom all things were made in the beginning? Is He the Jesus who was with His Father when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and when the Law was given to Moses, and when God declared the act of homosexuality an abomination? Is He the Jesus who left His Father&#8217;s side, was born of woman as a Jew, and then spent 33 years living among the Jewish people who were fully aware that all sexual relations outside marriage constitute sin, the wages of which is death? Is He the Jesus who gave John the apostle the words of Revelation 22:15? 4. Earlier this year when the Federal Labor Caucus appointed Kevin Rudd as Opposition Leader and the ambitious, pro-choice feminist Julia Gillard as his Deputy, I groaned and said to myself &#8220;Oh, no! Not again!&#8221; Here we have had that same uneven spiritual yoking of a professed Christian leader (Premier Peter Beattie a professed practicing Anglican) with a pro-choice woman as his Deputy Premier whose Emily&#8217;s List principles and values place her in an anti-God stance. During his time as Premier Mr Beattie deceived and betrayed the Church in Queensland during the passage of anti-discrimination legislation, and on other occasions clearly betrayed his professed personal faith in Christ. Recently he has suddenly retired from politics leaving his &#8220;anointed successor Anna Bligh&#8221; to take the reins as Queensland Premier. The apostle Paul clearly warned about the dangers of this uneven spiritual yoking in 2 Corinthians 6: 11-18. 5. a. Last Tuesday morning in the Federal Parliament House a number of Christian ministries combined to host a William Wilberforce Breakfast. During that breakfast attended by some 60 Federal parliamentarians and Christian leaders the Christian hosts presented Appreciation Awards to those Federal Parliamentarians who voted Pro-Life during the passage this year of the un-Godly bills relating to the abortion pill RU486 and the lifting of the previous ban on further research using embryonic stem cells, commonly known as the Cloning Bill. In both bills parliamentarians were allowed a Conscience Vote i.e. they were able to vote according to their conscience rather than along party lines as is the case with all other bills. b. Before that breakfast some brilliant, very careful research was done as to how each of the total of 226 Federal MPs and Senators individually voted on those bills. I downloaded a copy of that research and consolidated it all to see the extent of the Pro-Life vote in each party. The numbers that came out of that consolidation are very revealing, and as Christian voters we really need to take notice of these figures and what they mean about the social values of the various parties. c. There are 226 Federal Parliamentarians - 150 in the House of Representatives and 76 in the Senate. The Coalition Parties in Government (Liberal, Nationals and NT Country Liberal Party) have a total of 126 parliamentarians, Australian Labor Party has 88, Family First Party has 1, Australian Democrats have 4, Australian Greens have 4, and there are 3 Independents. In the table below I have shown the numbers of parliamentarians, by political party, who voted against each of those bills, and in so doing voted to uphold the Biblical sanctity of life i.e. by conscience they voted Pro-Life. I have then converted those numbers into percentages e.g. 50% of Coalition parliamentarians voted Pro-Life on RU486, whereas 11.3% of ALP parliamentarians voted Pro-Life on the same bill:</p>
<p>Party            Total Members       RU486 %       Cloning %</p>
<p>Coalition               126                63 50%        65 51.5%</p>
<p>ALP                      88                 10 11.3%      24 27.2%</p>
<p>FFP                      1     1                100% 1        100%</p>
<p>Aust Democrats        4 0                      0%           0%</p>
<p>Aust Greens              4 0                      0%          0%</p>
<p>Independents             3 2                   66.6%     100%</p>
<p>What those figures reveal is that there is a huge difference in the attitude to sanctity of life of the individual members of the current Coalition government and the ALP Opposition. 6. Under the democracy in this nation we have the privilege of voting to elect a man or woman from the electorate in which we live to represent our electorate and our interests in the Federal House of Representatives. There are times when the interests of our electorate are contrary to the interests of the political party to which our local MP belongs. In every party except Labor our MP could choose to be faithful to the interests of his or her electorate and cross the floor and vote against his or her party&#8217;s view on a particular bill, and do that without penalty. However if a Labor MP crosses the floor rather than vote the party way, he or she will be sacked from the ALP. I suspect that ALP rule stems from trade unionism and it makes a mockery of our democracy.<br />
With love in Jesus.</p>
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		<description>Hi Danny,
Somone sent me your prophetic word about the federal election. It's a good word and thanks for being so courageous for Jesus. I love your passion. I just wanted to send you a positive email to balance out some of those critical ones that you were talking about. God Bless you. (I'm sure He does!) From Sandy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Danny,<br />
Somone sent me your prophetic word about the federal election. It&#8217;s a good word and thanks for being so courageous for Jesus. I love your passion. I just wanted to send you a positive email to balance out some of those critical ones that you were talking about. God Bless you. (I&#8217;m sure He does!) From Sandy</p>
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		<description>Dear Ps Danny Nalliah,
Shalom son of God. I believe that I may not encourage you to do what God has already spoken to you. As you have rightly observed, this is where you go it alone. I have received your "controversial letter" which is highly supportive and in agreement with the works of the Holy Spirit in these last days. You are on the right path sir. I share the same ministry with you here in Kenya. When I came to Australia in 1993 and 1996, I shared concerning protecting our territories (I used the Tasmanian Devil as an example) and this message has continued to bless many saints who heard the word of God. Pastor, we will not abandon our rights," we will kick and shout." Beloved Danny, keep kicking and shouting. We have few men and women that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst of our nations Ezek 9:4. I am fighting the same in Kenya East Africa. Please pray for these five issues which I have tabled right at the presidents office one day ago and by sms today 20/9/07; 1. Justice to be done and to be seen to have been done in our courts. 2. Present salaries of Mps will course many deaths. Only our president can save lives now and in future. 3. Effective media control to avoid raising up an immoral and ungodly generation.4. Employment and appointments to be done by in cooperating all tribes according to a tribal ratio. 5. Education based on Kenyan needs with a considerable regard to God given skills apart from formal education; We want to see Kenyans playing electronic to come with robots, etc. When we were down at times we'd say "Keep on Keeping on." So keep on keeping on Danny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ps Danny Nalliah,<br />
Shalom son of God. I believe that I may not encourage you to do what God has already spoken to you. As you have rightly observed, this is where you go it alone. I have received your &#8220;controversial letter&#8221; which is highly supportive and in agreement with the works of the Holy Spirit in these last days. You are on the right path sir. I share the same ministry with you here in Kenya. When I came to Australia in 1993 and 1996, I shared concerning protecting our territories (I used the Tasmanian Devil as an example) and this message has continued to bless many saints who heard the word of God. Pastor, we will not abandon our rights,&#8221; we will kick and shout.&#8221; Beloved Danny, keep kicking and shouting. We have few men and women that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst of our nations Ezek 9:4. I am fighting the same in Kenya East Africa. Please pray for these five issues which I have tabled right at the presidents office one day ago and by sms today 20/9/07; 1. Justice to be done and to be seen to have been done in our courts. 2. Present salaries of Mps will course many deaths. Only our president can save lives now and in future. 3. Effective media control to avoid raising up an immoral and ungodly generation.4. Employment and appointments to be done by in cooperating all tribes according to a tribal ratio. 5. Education based on Kenyan needs with a considerable regard to God given skills apart from formal education; We want to see Kenyans playing electronic to come with robots, etc. When we were down at times we&#8217;d say &#8220;Keep on Keeping on.&#8221; So keep on keeping on Danny.</p>
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